RYB 891 How To Create A Healthier and More Productive Entrepreneur with Abel James

Today I have Abel James back on the show, and we'll be focused on health for entrepreneurs and how to become more productive, especially when you're always on the go. 

It can be easy to forget to focus on your health when you're running a business, so he'll share some tips on how to make it easier. We'll also talk about the different diet trends and which ones Abel recommends.  

Abel's Tips for Optimal Health

Health isn't a one size fits all. If you don't have your nutrition nailed down, you won't achieve your goals and live the lifestyle you want. I've personally put butter in my coffee but prefer grass-fed pasteurized cream because it makes it easier to digest. 

I don't think there is anything magic about putting butter or coffee in my coffee, but I like it from a lifestyle aspect. If you only eat fat, you're going to burn fat and, to some degree, it may help you go down the path of building the metabolic machinery to burn fat as fuel. 

However, eating excessive amounts of fat adds up to a lot of calories, so it's important to eat it in moderation.  

Once you understand how the body works and the choices you have, it's easier to know what to put in your body, keep in mind that a lot of research has been covered up, and lobbyists and corporations have been running the show for years. So, not everything you hear is accurate. 

Personally, when I tried cutting out cholesterol and dietary fat, I had never been fatter or sicker even when I was running 30 plus miles a week. From a survival standpoint, fat is essential because it's twice the calories per gram. It's a sought-after fuel source in a wild environment, or if you don't have access, you can also fast, which I highly recommend.

How to Reduce Stress & Stay Healthy

Our bodies run right when we get out of our own way. I don't remember the last time I ate a meal when I'm in the middle of back to back meetings or first thing in the morning. I've found that the longer I push out breakfast, the longer I can to eat in weeks or months to come. 

For intermittent fasting, you can limit the number of hours you eat in a day, the time you start eating, or both. Embrace the times that you can follow your hunger and wait to eat. You don't burn fat a day or minute at a time. It takes weeks, months, and years. Everything that you eat builds up.  

Avoid pushing all your calories to the end of the day and eating late at night. That isn't great for your digestion. It's best to eat several hours before bedtime. Once again, everyone is an individual, and intermittent fasting is not a one size fits all solution.  

Abel's Overview of Healthy Living

I encourage people to look back at the history of any type of diet or lifestyle that you're planning to incorporate in your own life. Nutrient-dense animal-based foods are best for you and require them to be healthy and fresh or preserved. 

This goes the same for fruits and vegetables, so the nutrients are still there and alive. It's about the whole picture—natural tries to give us ideal foods in wonderful little packages when you look at it from a holistic approach. 

When you eat fresh foods from nature, it's much better for your overall health. I really see the value in traditional bone broth, eating nose to tail, and eating organ meats. It's important to get a wide variety of foods to avoid nutritional deficiencies. I do recommend getting tested to find out what you might be missing.

How to Incorporate Fruit Into Your Diet

It's not useful to be for or against fruit. I think the best way to incorporate them into your diet is to eat them in their whole form. You want to avoid pounding through fruits and unconsciously eating. Fruits should be considered a treat. If you look at fruit historically speaking, they've been manipulated to include more sugar and have less fiber. So, you want to eat fruit in its whole form and eat it in moderation. 

Always Listen to Your Body  

My wife and I were staying in a rental in Colorado last year. The furnace had some major problems and was off-gassing pollutions into our bedroom. The condition essentially suffocates you from the inside out, and it makes it difficult to breathe. At the time, we didn't know that it was carbon monoxide positioning, and it can be difficult to track it down.

When you're trying to recover from an illness, I recommend getting rest, limit your drinking, and do your research. Take time to get smart, learn what the science actually says, and use this as an opportunity to educate yourself on your condition. You'd be amazed at what some people would be able to come back from.

Final Note from Scott

Here's the cool thing I love about Abel. He isn't saying his way is the only way. We need to understand ourselves and learn from our bodies. It's important to keep things simple and go back to the basics. Think about what your grandparents grew up on and eating good foods in moderation. 

My father taught me a long time ago that your mind will change every ten years or so, and I firmly believe that now. I hope you got a lot from today's episode. Remember, it's the little things that make a big difference.

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Take-Aways From Today's Episode

  1. Abel's Tips for Optimal Health (7:00)
  2. How to Reduce Stress & Stay Healthy (18:08)
  3. Abel's Overview of Healthy Living (26:46)
  4. How to Incorporate Fruit Into Your Diet (39:54)
  5. Always Listen to Your Body (43:45)



“Health isn't a one size fits all. If you don't have your nutrition nailed down, you won't be able to achieve your goals and live the lifestyle that you want”.

00:00 Before you try to take diet and nutrition out of the equation and make it its own thing with all of these specific little parameters that you have to follow. Yeah. You'd be so much better served by taking just that, that Eagle eye view of your entire life, your entire lifestyle, what your goals are for your, for your business, as well as kind of like your, your body composition, all these things. If you get clear about what you want longterm, then it becomes easier to set up the daily practices.

00:35 Hey, Hey, Hey, what's up, everyone. Welcome to the rock, your brand podcast. I'm your host, Scott. Bowker a serial entrepreneur on a mission to help you. This show is designed to teach you to inspire you, to motivate you, to take massive action and build a future proof business. So whether you're just starting out or taking your existing business to the next level, this is your home. Now, if you're ready, I'm ready. Let's rock your brand. What's up guys. Welcome back to another episode of the rock, your brand podcast. Today, I am fired up because I've got a, another featured guest, but here's the deal I'm inviting him back. He's already been on. And he went through his story. He talked about how he went from really not being in good health and how that led him to becoming the fat burning man. Abel James is back on the show.

01:31 And if you recall, the last time I had him on, I said to him, I got to get you back on just to kind of focus in on health and being more productive as an entrepreneur because let's face it as you become an entrepreneur, you think that your life is going to become easier and it can, but a lot of times we have more stuff to do and we have to really control that. And one of the things that we, we tend to forget, or we tend to kind of not look at as important is our health, our fitness and the things that we're doing on a regular basis. I also wanted to talk to him and really kind of talk about the whole high fat diet vegan, like all of those different things out there that we're hearing about those, those different diets. If you will, and talk about Dave Asprey, uh, talked about, uh, Darren Aliene, who I recently had on the show and, and really what's his beliefs compared to their beliefs and all of those things, because I don't know about you, but whenever I'm hearing about these diets or just being healthy in general, there's all of these different ways or people's, uh, ideas or beliefs.

02:36 And we tend to kind of buy into theirs because, you know, we want someone to follow that can help us and lead us to where we want to go. And in my case, I want to live longer. I want to be healthier. I want to be around. And so, uh, having able come back on was really, uh, just a good conversation that helped me, but hopefully will help you when you're thinking to yourself, okay. You know, I'll do that health thing later, or, you know, uh, I'm not really too concerned about the water I'm drinking right now, just because it's water. It's not all the same. And we talk a lot of, uh, just about ways that we can get more from ourselves as far as more, be more productive, but then also how to stay healthier and give ourselves the best chance of being successful.

03:19 So I just love jamming on this, this type of content or these topics. So hopefully you're going to enjoy it as well. I think you are because it's a really good conversation and some really cool things I learned that I didn't know before I did this interview. So I'm going to stop talking now so you can enjoy this conversation with my good buddy. Abel James, enjoy Abel. Thank you so much, man, for coming back on the pockets, I told you we were going to make this happen and get you back on and talk about this health and fitness thing. What's up, man.

03:47 I'm psyched, man. I could talk all day about this stuff. You know, that

03:50 I know you can. And you know, the more I, I was looking into, like who you've kind of crossed paths with and who you've done work with. I mean, Sean T right. That's pretty awesome.

04:01 Yeah. He's well, he's remained a close friend over the years, such a sweet guy. Sometimes you see people on TV or we out there B list or of labs or whatever, and they totally match up with who you think they are. And other times they don't and Sean is like way, like even sweeter than I would have ever imagined. Like he's hardcore with working, you get that work ethic and diligence, but he's just got the biggest heart of almost anyone I know.

04:27 Yeah. And the crazy thing is, is he's actually the one that kinda got me into my health and fitness journey 10 years ago, watching an infomercial at night. I think I seen in standee like three times before I ended up pulling the trigger. And, uh, and, and he ended up, I ended up doing his insanity program and I was 38 at the time. And I was probably 20, 25 pounds overweight. I was, I was never 200 pounds. I was about one 90, one 92. And I dropped man. And, um, I just stuck to it, you know, and the diet was part of it, but it was just, I stuck to something for that 60 days, you know what I mean? And he was hardcore, man. I mean, people were in the program were dropping out, you know, kind of getting arrested. I'm like, okay, I guess it's okay to stop for a minute.

05:13 You know, he was kicking my butt, but yeah. So Shanti really, really, uh, really just, he's been someone I've really looked up to and admired, uh, even to this day. So that's awesome that you've crossed paths with him. Dave Asprey, I've seen that you did some stuff with him. And, um, so then I started thinking, I literally just had Darren Alena on and I'm like, so he's someone that I didn't realize he was part of Shakeology, which is beach body product. He was a co creator. He's like the superfood Hunter is what he, you know, people kind of coined him as, and, uh, he was actually introduced to me through my son. Who's 22 who, uh, said, I should watch this show on Netflix is Netflix original called down to earth. And it's kinda where they go. And they, they look at, you know, nutrition, but the, you know, the blue zones, but they also look like, you

05:58 Know, just the world in general, like, you know, how can we, how can we do better for the earth and you know, just energy and waste and just all of that stuff. So it's really, really, it was really cool and well done, but I had him on the show and I'm like, okay, so he's a little bit different than Dave. You know, Dave's got his own thing. I know that you and Dave have talked, I don't know where you guys fall. As far as like, you know, like the high fat diet, you know, buttering your coffee and like all of this stuff. When I said that the day of day, like I'm not Dave, Darren, he's like, I'm not really sure I'm a big fan of putting butter in your coffee, but if you want to do it, you can because you like the way it tastes. But I don't know about the saturated fat and blah, blah, blah. So let's kind of dig in like, let's start there, right? Like, what's your, what's your, what's your thoughts? As far as like diet and we won't go, we won't go exercise yet. Just, just diet in general, someone that wants to be optimal. We're entrepreneurs that are listening to this. We want to live a great life, but we also, we've got a lot on our mind, a lot, a lot on our plate.

06:59 Yeah. I'll, I'll start by saying health. Isn't one size fits all. It's really not. And so when you see people in the athletic sphere, nutrition sphere, doctors, all the rest of it, everyone who even has it dialed in it's is still kind of doing it in their own way. That matches up with their lifestyle, their goals. Um, we're not going to talk about athletics yet, but for me, that's the biggest driver of nutrition. Because if you don't, if you don't have your nutrition nailed down and you try to do the intense competition thing, or you really get into the exercise, you learn pretty quick that it's not going to work out, or at least you're not going to be achieving the amount of performance in your life and toward your goals that you otherwise would. If, if you really know what you're doing from a nutrition standpoint.

07:48 So as far as butter and the coffee goes, it's one of those like click bait ideas to some degree that like I've done. And I do sometimes, but I like cream in my coffee. Like I drink coffee all day. Sometimes it's black. Usually it's grass fed pastured, heavy cream, eight, eight, two, to be specific, if I can get it, which means it's a cream from a type of cow that we're better able to digest because essentially what you have with food. It's all of these wolves that have been bred into chihuahuas and zucchinis and like processed food and whatever. So whether you're talking about fruit or fat or animal foods, it's all been manipulated and it's not what our answer being. So anyway, the reason something like butter and coffee could work is the same reason that cream and coffee works. It's the same reason that like any fat works. And so there's no magic thing about butter in your coffee or even cream in your coffee. But I tend to like it from a lifestyle perspective, but there's

08:56 Such a big difference between,

08:57 I mean, you know, the Bulletproof coffee type idea and the butter coffee type thing, where people are putting literally 500 plus calories of pure fat into your coffee as your first thing of the day, thinking that it's going to help you fat. That's where words get tricky, because if you only eat fat, yeah, you're going to burn fat. Um, and to some degree it might help you kind of go down the path of building the metabolic machinery to use fat as fuel, at least better than you used to be able to it. But it's still 500 calories. I'd rather eat a whole chocolate bar. There are so many other things I would rather eat than putting a stick of butter in my coffee, but as like a demonstration, once you're adept at burning fat, and you've built that machinery, you can readily use butter is you bacon, fat cream. You could use soybean oil if you wanted to, but it's going to act differently within your body. So when it comes to people like, like Dave Asprey, we've, uh, yes, we've done a lot of work together over the years. We've done live streams, many interviews, different, um, documentary programs and stuff like that. And for the most part, and we've hung out personally too, but although not for awhile, but

10:12 You know, it's

10:15 Not all that different once you understand how the body works and the choices you have as to how to feed. Um, now saturated fat is something that's been completely vilified over the, um, you know, some of the arguments around why we should be eating margarine, which obviously didn't work out well. Um, came from the same people who were saying that saturated fat is bad. When you look into the research, when you really get into the weeds and the research you look into why meat, saturated, fat cholesterol have been vilified, it's quack, science, it's total quack research. A lot of stuff has been covered up. There are a ridiculous amount of lobbyists and corporate interests that have been running the show for decades. And if you just look around, it's pretty obvious that no matter what the government recommendations are, if they're right or wrong, it's not working. It's absolutely not working. When I personally tried to avoid cholesterol and dietary fat, I had never been fatter or sicker by trying to use that even when I was running 30 plus miles a week. So there are a whole lot of different ways to go about this, but if you're trying to go about it, by being afraid of fat, being afraid of saturated fat and being afraid of cholesterol, you're really not doing yourself any favors.

11:34 Okay. I mean, that's, I mean, honestly, I don't put a stick of butter in my coffee, but I do like, like a tablespoon. Right. And I, and I blend it, you know, I blend it and it whips it

11:44 Between a tablespoon and a stick. People don't realize that.

11:48 And I mean, I literally enjoy it. So it's like, you know, Dave talks about

11:54 Like the brain as far as what it does to the brain. And whether that's, I guess, you know, if you're having a butter in your coffee or you're having coconut oil or whatever, MCT oils, like whatever, there's like some, and I don't know all the science behind it, but he's, you know, his, I guess his angle is, well, if you want high performance, especially in the morning when you're working, you know, you have a shot of that and you're going to be great. Um, whether that's true or not, like I just enjoy it now. I don't have cream. I've actually switched cream with just a tablespoon of butter and I whip it and I'm happy, you know? So

12:28 A practical standpoint, that's where butter makes a lot of sense, because if I'm on the road, it's like really hard to carry around heavy cream, especially the exact stuff that you want. Whereas butter can be room stable for awhile. I've flown with it. And if you don't have that source of fat, then a lot of times you are forced on the road to eat that fried later oil that restaurants and hotels and everyone else thinks. So it's nice to have at least some form of, um, the reason that fat is useful from like a survival stamp in any animal would tell you this, if they could speak our language is that it's, it's more than twice the calories that are in protein and in carbs per, per gram, per you know, precise. And so if you're carrying it around and it's some so much shelf stable, or it can last on the road, that's a really, you know, in a wild environment, that's a sought after source of fuel.

13:21 If you don't have that fuel, you can fast. And that's, that's kinda like my entryway into ketosis, keto. Fat-burning that whole thing. I'm not big on keto dieting. That's not what I'm about at all. Ketosis is more of a bodily function. That's totally natural for, for pregnant mothers, for babies, for children, for adults, it's, it's a state that the body goes in when it's not being, um, you know, forced to deal with sugar all the time or forced to deal with high-glycemic carbs. So fat is super useful, but also like any amount of extra calories on your metabolism at some point is going to add up to extra, you know, extra body fat or extra muscle. It depends on how you do that. That's why, you know, I am not anti carb. I am pretty anti sugar, but I, I drink sugar sometimes. Like, uh, especially after runs, I eat sugar sometimes, especially after big workouts, there are ways that when you partition these different macronutrients, you that's, that's where the real, um, science kicks in.

14:30 And that's where you don't have to understand the science necessarily. But if you save your carbs for post-workout and you try to do some workouts fasted, or, or, you know, with a little bit of fat to kind of get you some energy, but not too much without the carbs, um, you can, you can, I mean, you could get really skinny. You can get really fat, you can get really muscular, same thing with a vegan diet. If you're, you know, using your macronutrients in a specific way, um, there are so many different ways to do this.

15:01 What you do,

15:03 You kind of have to know what you're doing, you know, and you do have to treat your body as an N equals one experiment and be honest, like if something isn't working out for you, like face that and, and, and try to make a little shift. Hmm. Yeah.

15:16 One thing that, uh, I heard Dave talk about and Darren had said it as well, actually. Yeah.

15:20 Darren, we were kind of going down the road, which I'd love your thoughts on this too. After I have a buddy of mine

15:25 That was diagnosed with ALS about a year ago. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, so I'd love to get some thoughts on that. Like, I mean, this guy, he totally switched his diet over to a lot. Plant-based um, but just a lot of micronutrients. I mean, celery, like he's, you know, like, I mean literally like squeezing and not squeezing, um, uh, juicing, juicing. Yeah. And, and so, you know, basically he has like a glass, like tall glass, like this, of like celery juice, first thing in the morning, like he's going hardcore and it's actually helped him, um, to the, to the point. But I'd love to get your thoughts on that. But we were, um,

16:03 I'm trying to think where I was going before I got sidetracked on that.

16:06 We were talking, um, just about the, you know, the differences between like, okay, if you put, you know, you got people that are all plant-based right. And then you got people that are like somewhat plant-based, but kind of not like, you know what I mean? Like, so to me, it's, like I said to you, and that was saying that, you know, when you follow these people and you're trying to get the best information, it's like, I just want to live a long time. Like, that's it right? Like, I've got, I got a family, like I got a new grand baby. Like I just, I want to be here, man. Like, I want to, I want to live for a long time. And I know Dave, he puts out there, I'm going to look through it. I want to try to live to 180. I know that's a, that's a click baity thing too.

16:48 Right. It's like, yeah. Okay, sure. Right. But it's, I do want to live long. Right. And so we just want to know what is the best things. And especially for us entrepreneurs, like, I mean, stress is the number one killer. We all know that. So how do we reduce all that stuff? But then how do we put the right stuff in our body and not go, Oh, wait a minute. Now this person where you're saying, I shouldn't do that because then I'm going to have this. Oh, I know what it was. Hold on a second. A biome. Have you heard of that company? What'd you say it's called via home? Uh, basically I, I that's, that's where I started with Dave. Um, cause David recommended getting like your levels all tested and I guess they'll basically do a fecal matter and then they'll you'll know everything metals in your body, like all of that stuff. And Darren had said the same thing, but he was talking more about my buddy, but he was saying, everyone should do that to see where we're deficient because everyone isn't right. You know? So plant-based like, you know, raw, you know, like what, what, what is your thing mean? You're an active guy. You're, you're an entrepreneur. You've got a lot of stuff on your plate. What do you do as an entrepreneur and someone that's busy and stressed out at times to keep your body running, right? What's your secret in our bodies?

18:06 Right. I believe when we get out of our own way, a lot of the time I'm fast, like in the middle of the week, especially when I'm gunning it and which I have been for several weeks, I'll do like 10 or 12 interviews in a row over the course of two days. So more than two hours or whatever. And I, I don't remember the last time I ate a meal in the middle of one of those. And I've been doing this for like 10 years now. Right. And, um, intermittent fasting is also something that I started about 10 years ago doing a 16, eight fast, where I pushed breakfast out until 11:00 AM, 12:00 AM and then eat dinner and, and might snack in between or whatever. But the longer that I did that, uh, I found that it was easier to push it even longer. Um, and now there's no, there's no like rainbow waiting for you there.

18:53 It doesn't get better. The harder you do it necessarily. Right. But, um, but for me after doing it for a while, especially being an entrepreneur, I very much enjoy the essentially like liquid diet where I may have a little bit of, um, fat, like heavy cream or MCT oil, coconut oil in my coffee, like a tablespoon at a time, which is very little, you know, a hundred, 200 calories at a time, maybe max over the course of that day before my first meal. And then I'll break it at around 3:00 PM, 4:00 PM, sometimes five or 6:00 PM. And I'll eat for about two, three or four hours, a big meal of clean food. And if it's post-workout, you know, um, like I said, I'm not completely against cars. I think if you keep them below, you know, 175, or certainly 50, no matter what your body composition, you're going to be able to do some metabolic stuff that you weren't doing before, specifically burning fat.

19:51 And that can be really useful for diesel long interview days. Or, you know, for me, I've been on camera as a performer or a musician for a long time, and sometimes you just cannot eat for 16 hours. You're on set. Right. And so, um, I see it as kind of like a survival skill, something that makes you better at your job. And now pretty much all of us are performers on webcams and computers and phones, whether we like to get or not. And, uh, and, and what people don't always realize is that sometimes eating a meal can steal your energy. It really, you know, we've all experienced wanting to take a nap after breakfast or after lunch wanting to take a nap after dinner, to me seems like a very reasonable thing, right? Like eating a big meal at six, the sun starts going down, you're hanging out, hopefully relaxing.

20:39 I get really sleepy. And I like to follow that as if we were camping. Like when the sun goes down at eight or, you know, seven 30, I'm out by eight 30, you know, I'm going to sleep so that I can wake up with the sun the next morning, hopefully without an alarm. So, um, before you try to take diet and nutrition out of the equation and make it its own thing with all of these specific little parameters that you have to follow, you'd be so much better served by taking just that, that Eagle eye view of your entire life, your entire lifestyle, what your goals are for your, for your business, uh, as well as kind of like your physique, your body composition, all these things. If you get clear about what you want longterm, then it becomes easier to set up the daily practices that you need to put those things.

21:31 But so anyway, intermittent fasting is, is my biggest tool. And it's one that I, I really think is more important to some degree than even the foods that you choose to eat in that eating window. Because what it's doing is it's giving your entire metabolism, your entire digestive system and your body a break, obviously, you know, intermittent fasting or extended fasting, not good for kids, not good for pregnant women, not good if you have a history of eating disorders and that sort of thing. So when you combine the intermittent fasting, eating window type thing, which also could just look like not snacking all the time, right? If you just knock those out, you don't have to call it fasting or whatever, just like stop that stop, stop snapping, like all day, try to snack for a few hours a day and see if you feel better after a while of doing that.

22:22 Cause what happens is for me, I had to eat every like two or three hours when I was in my teens and in my twenties for the most part, without getting totally hangry out of gas, cranky, just feeling like I really needed something. And I was super hungry all the time. Then I realized that when I pushed out breakfast to later in the day, I didn't get hungry until I started eating. And that's, um, you don't want to abuse this, but it's really important to embrace the times when you can just follow your own hunger. And if you're not hungry and your body feels good, that's a really excellent state because you are mobilizing fatty acids, you are burning fat. Um, you don't burn fat like a day at a time though, or a minute at a time hours at a time, it takes weeks. It takes months. It takes years kind of like building muscle. It's the little things that you do every day that really add up to massive results over the long term for better or worse.

23:17 No, no, a hundred percent. And I gotta admit, like I've been intermittent fasting now for quite a while to at least probably two years. Uh, and honestly, like I feel better. I do not feel hungry. It actually saves me time and don't have to cook breakfast. I don't have to clean dishes and put them away and all of that stuff. Right. It's like, for me, it's like out of the equation and you're right. I can go long. I can go to dinner

23:46 Time, like, and I'm not missing anything. It's just, okay, it's maybe two o'clock and I'll be like, alright, you know what? I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to make a, an egg and I'm going to make a, a little bit of broccoli or I'm going to have, uh, maybe some, uh, some cucumbers and many cucumbers, little Himalayan salt, and I'm good. Right? Like, and I'm good. And then dinner comes and, and I'm, I'm, I'm eating, but it's not that I have to eat, but you're right. Once you start eating, that's when I get hungry.

24:13 Yeah. Yeah. You know, one thing that you want to be careful of and myself included is you don't want to push all of those calories to the end of the day and have a late dinner. You know, the Italian three hours, you know, that goes until midnight. That's not great for our digestion. You know, you don't want to be just like putting all of that on your system as you go to sleep. Cause that can disrupt your sleep. So if you are going to do this, it's best to eat several hours before bedtime. And so try not to have too late of a dinner, easier said than done, you know, for everyone's lifestyle. Yeah. Well, I get a lot of questions about shift work and being a recovering musician who used to play, like I would start my set sometime sometimes at midnight at one 30 in the morning at two 30 in the morning, I'd go onstage and smells crazy.

25:01 Like good luck trying to keep your health. If that's what you're, you know, just like working in the emergency room all night. These are things that you have to, um, take account of and, and hopefully work through, but with in a different way than, than I'm doing it, going to bed at eight 30 or nine, o'clock, you know, waking up without an alarm, it's not going to work if you have shift work. So once again, that everyone is absolutely an individual, I think this is one of the biggest, you know, trends or new fads that we have to focus on people as individuals. And really, really treat that more than saying, look at this best diet ever look at this best supplement or food or, or workout or whatever, because these are all just tiny little components of a giant machine that is your life and your body.

25:48 Yeah. And, and so, so you, you don't classify yourself as like keto or plant-based, or you're just eating whole foods and you're eating what is good for your body and in your, in your eyes and from through testing of what, what you like and what you can have and what you don't like and how it reacts to your body. Is that accurate?

26:10 Yeah. But I'll give a general overview of sure. That'd be good. The way that I think about it. And I would encourage more than looking into keto, paleo wild. Like I called my book, the wild diet, not because I want to own wild, but because they can't really be owned, it means nature, but natural doesn't mean anything more. So words are really tricky. And I would encourage people not to get too caught up in the identity based piece of all of this. Cause that's what really gets you into trouble. A vegan who can never eat mayonnaise or eggs, right. You know, tends to get himself into trouble the fall or whatever. You can do that with whatever dietary paradigm. So I would encourage people to look, look back, look into the history of Banting vegan diets in the 18 hundreds. Like you can find this stuff really easily actually.

26:56 And also Weston a price was the driver of a lot of the research that looked into nutrient density and diets. And this is from like the forties. This is, this is a long time ago, but it's what a lot of ancestral based eating and nutrition and lifestyle is based upon. And what you want to do is focus on animals, do something called high grading of food. So if a bear is, you know, giant grizzly needs tons of calories and it needs lots of nutrients as well. And so it kind of follows its intuition. And when there are all of those giant salmon that it's eating, just like as many as it wants in that typical example, it will, these bears will tend to go to the organs first, they'll go to the organ meats because they're the most nutrient dense cats. A lot of predator species will do just that they'll throw away or ignore the muscle meats once they've filled up on the fat and the nutrient dense.

27:55 And so that was a giant finding from looking at indigenous tribes and what's the price was a dentist actually. So he looked at bone quality in people's teeth. And if you look in someone's teeth and they have soft teeth, they probably have soft bones. If you have teeth problems, you have problems with their bones, most likely. And so he was just fascinated when he, when he went down that rabbit hole, looking at all these indigenous tribes that were eating bugs and, you know, just like climbing trees and not engaging in anything remotely close to what Westerners would call nutrition, who didn't struggle with cancer. Weren't overweight, didn't have diabetes, didn't fall apart in their twenties, thirties, forties, or even eighties. You know, a lot of them, as long as they didn't get eaten by a tiger or whatever. So looking at that nutrient density in foods, um, requires for, for animal based foods.

28:52 It needs to come from a healthy and, um, and you need it to be either preserved or eaten fresh. Same thing goes with plant food. If you pick something before it's right. Or if you pick it like, like a lot of apples, they sit on ships or they sit in containers just waiting for a year before you actually buy them at the grocery store. And so all the nutrients are essentially gone. The sugar is still there, but you it's just a bag of sugar now. Whereas if you pick something out of your backyard, it's still essentially alive. And when you look at this holistically, it's not about the tiny little amount of B12 that's in it, or a little bit of calcium. It's really about the whole picture. These foods tend to have, you know, if they have a toxin, they have the antidote, you know, like the toxins in, on the skin and the antidotes inside the meat or whatever of the veggie or the fruit.

29:45 And so nature really tries to give us these, these ideal foods in wonderful little packages so that if you do eat them whole not, not whole foods in the Amazon sense of the word, because a lot of that is processed foods. You have to be really clear on semantics and terminology. And that's definitely used against us. That's one of the reasons it's so difficult to do this is because we're being confused on, but when you go to nature and you try to eat fresh foods from nature, I eat, volume-wise mostly plants, but the plants per volume have almost no calories in them. So that also becomes confusing. Like, yeah, I've, I'm plant based, but I, but what does that mean? Right? Like it used to mean something where the majority of my food volume comes from plants, but then the vegans decided to call everything plant-based, which is supposed to mean a hundred percent or whatever.

30:40 Yeah, yeah, it is.

30:41 But as long as you do focus on getting those fresh foods from the plant kingdom, if you'd like, if you get the right mix of macronutrients, right. Fat protein carbs from those, you can totally do that, especially for awhile. But I, I really see the value in traditional bone broth, eating nose to tail, um, eating organ meats to some degree, uh, is a part of eating nose to tail. And just getting a wide variety of foods is extremely important because then your kind of spackling the gaps in all your nutrient deficiencies, uh, with your food. And then, uh, to your point, I would absolutely recommend that people do get tested for deficiencies, especially vitamin D. Most people are deficient in vitamin D. Um, there are other ones that you can't really test for in the same way, but we do know are useful like vitamin C.

31:35 And it's so interesting because everyone's looking for that, that new sexy magic bullet supplement food workout or whatever. Whereas like there have been decades and decades of extremely compelling research about how bad vitamin D deficiency is for us. And, and we all know how easy it is to like take some vitamin D or go out in the sun, but people don't do it. And so the vast majority of, so Matt, the vast majority of us are at huge risk for getting sick for getting disease or just being suboptimal, because we don't have the, you know, critical levels that we need of these really boring well known nutrients.

32:18 Yeah. I, yeah. I agree with you. I think vitamin D it just, for me personally has been like an eye opener, just like, it's so simple. I take it every morning too, but again, I probably should get tested to see how deficient, and then am I taking the right amount? And like, I always do vitamin C and vitamin D first thing in the morning, I do that with my

32:40 Full glass of water, reverse osmosis, little Himalayan salt, like, you know, I'm trying to do it all right. Try to do it all right. And, uh, you know, and actually one thing that Darren, he went down a rabbit hole on water in, in general, just like water is not equal. And, um, and he was even talking about like having it in a blue bottle and then putting it in the sun because then it gets the sun's energy. And like, it's pretty cool stuff, man. And he was even talking about having like, um, uh, you know, just different gratitude sayings on it that actually by the sun penetrating that could also give it positive energy and like all that stuff. And I'm like, it might be woo man, but I love it. Like, I love the idea of being drinking at me and like, love, it says, love. I'm going to drink love right now, but love into my body. You know, exactly.

33:25 My mom was totally into that. She's a holistic nurse practitioner, so that wacky and she's literally sent us many blue bottles to put water in. And we do that sometimes. And, you know, I hated it growing up cause I thought it was so tacky and just like he has all these like angel sayings up on these little plaque guards. And, um, as, as I kind of went through the rebellion stage and then I've come back, I love that stuff in moderation, but it does become metaphysical. The hidden messages in water water is something that we really take for granted. That was absolutely like the holiest of Holies for almost everyone who came before us. Uh, one of the things that we really, my wife and I got interested in over the years, looking into the ancestral health and all of that is looking into the ancestral spiritual beliefs that a lot of these, these tribes and the indigenous had all over the world.

34:22 And, um, especially when you explore some of these ruins, we live out in the Southwest and the middle of nowhere of Colorado, but we're surrounded by these, these old Ponderosa Pines opinion, pine trees that were literally planted as groves and manipulated by the Utes, uh, the Ute tribe who, who lived out here for hundreds of years. And so some of these trees are like 600 years old and they still went to the water source or they still have like a little message that's, that's written into the tree essentially by bending it and tying it down over the years, they had a language where they would communicate with each other through the trees and they would set up like these giant forests as groves. And, um, water was the most important part of all this. Like when you go to these ancient places, you realize like one of the first things you see is all these little troughs or how they, how they directed the water in specific ways.

35:16 And, um, and then, you know, later in life as well, I, I got into studying Daoism and I met some, some really like masters. We live in a spiritual community now, um, in Colorado. And so I've met a lot of people who live in the medic metaphysical, right. And a couple of them have said to me that they never water without blessing at first, just in their mind saying, I love you or thank you, or whatever is simple enough where it's like, what's that going to hurt? If that doesn't work, then like, whatever, what did you have to lose?

35:53 Oh, hundred percent like, yeah. What do you have to lose? How can that not feel good? Right. To say, looking at a bottle or even just cause it's blue, you're reminding yourself, even though, even if the, the light penetrating blue doesn't have anything to do with it, I'm, I'm recognizing it. And I'm thinking it, and I'm putting it into my body. Um, which I just thought was pretty awesome. Uh, just even him bringing that up and they did a whole episode, um, he said they didn't even go as deep as they, as they really did behind the scenes and stuff, but there's a lot of just, there's a lot of science behind it, but there's just a lot of just the energy in the, in the water where it comes from the stream, the sun hitting it in the certain elevation and bow, you know, and it's carrying molecules and like all this stuff that I don't really understand, but I find it fascinating and it makes me appreciate water. And it also makes me look at it and go, I don't want to drink water out of a plastic bottle necessarily. Right. Like it's like, yes, if I was, you know, thirsty as heck and that's all I had. Yes. But in the same breath, I'm going to do everything I can to not because I know it's not the same, like purified water, like what really is that? You know what I mean?

36:58 Yeah, exactly. And, and the, the standards of quality for water are shockingly low. Um, same with food, same with food, but, uh, we've lived in over a dozen different States. My wife and I have tested high in led multiple. Wow. And we do our absolute best to avoid all these heavy metals and to drink really clean water and all the rest of it. But if you're in Arizona, there's lead in your water. If you're in Colorado, there's lead in your water. If you're in the Northeast, if you're in the UK, there's a lead in your water everywhere. It's, uh, you know, industry has been destroying our environment for way longer than we've been alive. So even where I grew up in New Hampshire, um, we would fish in a little pond next to our house, which was also in the middle. And, uh, at some point, you know, we, we would eat the little perch and the pick roll, and we go and get the sunfish sometimes and all the rest of it.

37:54 And when we, this is like, after we grown up, I don't even remember exactly how it happened. My dad was able to test some of the fish or the water, and it was extremely high in mercury lead arsenic because of all the runoff from the bestest mills and the Cedar mills and some of the mining and just like all the rest of it that happens not just in New Hampshire, but in the smokey mountains, even if you're totally remote, it's like their minds up there. And these mountains, like anywhere, there's a ski way. There's probably a mine there first and our water, everything leaches down, um, and, and collects and concentrates. And then, uh, you know, when it comes through the, the tap and through the pipes, a lot of that infrastructure really old too. So the water quality is something that is so easy to ignore, but once you really start paying attention to it, and you have some, some idea of how bad the situation is, you really get more conscious about it. And I think that's probably the most important thing. If you're drinking water consciously with a sense of gratitude that does something to you physically physiologically, whether you're talking metaphysical or not. We know that when we consume food and substances in different, you know, psychological States, it has a different effect on our bodies. Yeah.

39:09 Um, okay. I know you've got to run. I do have a couple more quick questions. One is, what's your, what's your thoughts on fruit? Cause we hear don't eat fruit, don't eat a lot of it, too much sugar. Um, you know what, what's your thoughts on, I'll just give you a little side note. What I really have been liking is frozen grapes. Like loving them, take them, wash them, organic, throw them in, in the freezer. Little, little, uh, you know, little containers. So at night I can just have a few and it's, it's, they're so good. Cause it's not like you can just chop right through them. You kind of got to bite through them and they're really good. I love it. So anyway, I want to know if I'm doing it wrong. I love, I love frozen grapes, like a handful.

39:49 I think that's a perfect way to eat fruit. Okay. People can't, it's not useful to be for or against fruit. You know what I mean? Because there's so many different kinds. There's so many different ways that you could be eating it. And so many other things you could eat them. So I think the best way to do it is exactly like you are eating it in its whole form, especially if there's some way to manipulate it, like freezing or leaving, leaving the shell on for nuts, that sort of thing. You know, where you have to do that amount of like processing with your mouth or like crunching so that you can't just pound through them. Cause that's what you want to avoid. You want to look like you're hounding through fruit, pounding through grapes that are, um, you know, room temperature would be so much easier and so much easier to do kind of just unconsciously you're on your phone or watching something like pop up.

40:39 So to the extent that you can avoid that, treat fruits as, as a treat, you know, that's that's as a condiment for your, if you're eating a big old salad, throw some sliced up fruit or a few wedges of Apple, grapefruit orange, like have fun with it. This, I see it as a way to have fun with your food, but don't use fruit to fill up right like that. So that's the critical difference where a lot of people try to, you know, eat an Apple or eat a bunch of watermelon or eat a bunch of grapes. And they're like, why, why am I still hungry? And it's because you're just pounding sugar this whole time. And if you look at, if you look at fruit, historically speaking, it's been manipulated to be five, 10 times more sugary with less fiber. And so when you have that combination, it's, it's out of sync with nature.

41:31 When you have the fiber combined with in that whole package, the fiber is usually in, in the skin, if it's an edible skin. Um, but it can be in the meat of the fruit as well. When you, when you start just like adding a ton of sugar and taking away all that fiber that's when you have to treat it definitely as a, as a treat that you eat, not a whole grapefruit at a time, but like a couple slices at a time. So you get the flavor you get. Yes. There, there are so many different compounds in many of these different fruits and veggies that you want access to, but don't try to fill up on it. I think that's the major.

42:09 Hmm. Yeah, no, I think that's great. And again, that's kind, kinda where I'm at. Like, you know, if I have fruit, it would be those frozen grapes or it might be an Apple, like you said, or maybe it'll be just a few wedges. Um, but I'm not big on like, okay, I'm hungry. I'm going go eat three apples. You know what I mean? Like I'm not going to go to, yeah. We're not going to do that. Um, okay. Last question. And then I know you gotta run. Um, so it's going to go back to what I started with. Okay. My, my buddy, he got diagnosed, um, and just to kinda throw it out there, um, he ran a pest control company years. Wow. Okay. Okay. So just to set the stage, uh, cause I did ask Darren that I'm like, what are your thoughts on that? And he's like, well, if I was a betting man, which I'm not, but if I was a betting, man, I'd say probably I'd bet my farm on that. But, um, but it, you know, it is what it is, right. It is what it is. Um, what are, what you just got that news, whether it's yourself or someone you love, what, what's the first thing that you're thinking that you, that you need to do to try to combat this or to try to slow it down or whatever.

43:14 Yeah. I'll just comment on what happened to me and my wife about a year ago when we were poisoned by carbon monoxide.

43:21 I don't remember the story. I remembered the story. Yeah, that's correct.

43:25 Yeah. And can happen to people very, very easily. Yeah. It shouldn't be able to happen it's against the law or, you know, the companies that have these rental houses and vehicles to not have the right equipment to monitor for carbon monoxide. But many of them still do not, even though they're breaking the law. So anyway, watch out for that. But long story short, we were staying in a, in a place in Colorado that we were renting furnace, uh, had some major problems and that furnace was off gassing. Um, you know, basically pollution straight up into the house, into the bedroom. And a lot of that was carbon monoxide. And that, that essentially suffocates you from the inside out where the carbon monoxide will displace the oxygen in, in your body. So it makes it really difficult to breathe. You're, you're breathing really heavy all the time, but you're not getting oxygen at the same time, really rough stuff.

44:19 So anyway, when you're, when you're poisoned or when you're really sick, that was one thing that I learned is that it doesn't necessarily manifest all that differently. Cause we didn't know that it was carbon monoxide. Right. We thought it might've been coming from the water. We thought, wow, it could have been coming from a variety of different things, but when you're really sick or when your body is dealing with a lot of toxins as we were, um, it manifests in very similar way. You just get super sick. It's hard to track it down, but there are certain things that you can do to, to help come back. And that would be, um, some of them are really obvious. We did not drink at all for many, many months as we were recovering, um, pushing it too hard too soon is one of the biggest risks that is not obvious.

45:05 You know, even for me as a musician coming back, um, I try, I try to stay, I try to keep my chops up musically. I try to keep my physique up for athletic events and both of those were taken away by getting sick. So coming back, I came back too fast with I was moving boxes and stuff. And, and so, uh, between kind of doing some of that lifestyle stuff too hard and trying to practice too much on guitar and piano, I got really bad tendonitis. Now send me back. Um, so I would say just to generalize, you know, anyone who's kind of in that position where you kind of hit a new rock bottom, you're trying to come out, try to be patient with yourself. Remember that, that your conditioning, whether it's your, your chops in your business, playing music or, you know, your, your athletic events and your just body composition, it's those little things over a long time that are gonna do it.

46:06 So don't try to force any of those big workouts. Don't try to force like a giant reorganization of your entire lifestyle and way of eating and that sort of thing. I would encourage people to go for the really simple things, try to become more conscious about and, and use this as an opportunity because unfortunately, most people out there don't value health until they've almost died. And so they've gotten that, that thing or someone really close to them has almost died or actually died. And so if you're in that situation, then use that to clean everything up as much as you can, to get smart about what the terminology actually means about what the science actually says, not what the people say. The science says, what, you know, like use this as an opportunity to do some research, to educate yourself on whatever your own condition might be.

47:04 And also, you know, how nutrition and movement fits into that because I always go back to the holistic thing. Um, and you'd be amazed by what some people can come back from. Like I did not know if I'd ever be able to do an interview again or, or really stand out or go for another run just about a year ago, almost exactly a year ago. And I did to take six months from not working and it destroyed our business. It destroyed us, but we had no other options. So coming back is really just one step at a time. And if you try to tackle, if you get a cancer diagnosis, if you get a really nasty diagnosis, try not to be swallowed up by it. Cause you're still here. And when you can come back from something, I mean, it's just, I'm so amazed by how incredible our bodies, if you, if you treat them the right way and you try to feed them the nutrients they need, avoid those deficiencies, don't overeat too much and move responsibly. Then that's pretty much like max level, no matter what your condition is, if you can do those things for the rest of your life, that's, what's going to keep you alive so much more so than any magic bullet or magic thing that might be coming in the future. It's the old school stuff that you do every day. That really matters. Yeah. I agree, man. It's,

48:24 It's going back to basics a lot of times. Um, I will say, uh, you know, that's exactly what my buddy did, who we, he didn't eat that healthy, you know, didn't have a healthy lifestyle, was in the pest control business for years. And uh, and then this thing came up and it started with them, him. He, uh, he was having a tough time, just gripping like a bowl or something. Wow. It was weird, you know, and he's just very active and he's a fishermen and like, he's just always doing stuff and just high energy. And it just, he thought maybe he had a pinched nerve or something like that. And then after about six months got the diagnosis. But even to this day, they don't know much about it. Right? Like they, they don't in the medical doctors. They just want to kind of like, well, this is what's going to happen.

49:07 You might have this much time. But if you do, if you do this one drug, you might get an extra two months and you're like, you know, I'd rather just try to figure it out on my own then. Right. Like, and, and that's pretty much what he's done. And it's, it's been just over a year, I think. And he keeps going back every three months to kind of see where it's progressed and it's not really progressed. So yeah. So then one doctor was like, well, maybe we, you know, maybe it's something else that's kind of like looking like it's ALS you know, kind of thing. And Darren had said that he knew someone that was four years ago, got diagnosed, switched everything up, got their levels, all tested and started filling in all the deficiencies. And they're actually going the other way where they're starting to get stronger four years later. So it's like I said to my buddy, John, I said, listen, man, you're, you're just going to be that, that one that gets in reverses it. And then you're going to share this with the world. That's what's going to happen next.

49:59 Exactly. You see it as an opportunity, you know, you're, for some reason, there's a reason that all this is going down. So let's, let's try to roll with it as much as

50:07 Yeah. Well able, man, I appreciate you so much. Hey, let, let people know where they can hear more about you, your podcasts, all that stuff. And we're definitely going to get you back on. You're going to be my go to guy, man. I love chatting with you, man. Yeah. Yeah.

50:19 It's on me. The podcast is called fat burning man. You can find it@fatburningman.com with write-ups and over 300 app. Um,

50:28 Wild superfoods is the name of our supplement company. My new book is called designer babies still get scabies and there's a lot more coming. So fat burning man is probably the best place to find. Awesome. Well able, man, thank you so much and stay safe. Looking great man. After a year. Yeah. I mean looking good, got the hair back. I love the hair. No, love it. And you know what? I want people to go check out your music, man. You guy can rock guys. Good. Really good. Yeah. Good man. I appreciate you. I appreciate you too. Alright. Well there you have it lots to think about, but here's the cool thing I love about Abel is he's not saying his way is the only way what he's saying is it works for him and we have to, we have to really understand our own self and then learn from our body, but also keep it simple.

51:18 Like really that's the big takeaway. Keep it simple. These, these fads or these things that, you know, people are pushing on us or at least let's believe is true, starts to confuse us. But if we just go way back in time and you know, his book, you know, all about eating from the wild really is, you know, it's going back to basic. It's like, what did my grandfather, my grandparents, what did they grow up on? Right. They didn't have all of this other stuff that we're not really taking into consideration. And so really just going back to basics right. And eating good foods in moderation. Um, but also, you know, getting the right amount of sleep or being in the right environment or, you know, the, the little bit of, uh, uh, you know, gratitude or, uh, you know, thinking about the water that you're drinking.

52:08 And that was really cool that I, I actually, uh, touched on with him. And he said that he used to think it was weird when his mother was doing it, but now he thinks it's amazing when, you know, you're, you're thinking about the water that you're drinking and being very grateful and even having a gratitude message with it or blessing the water or just things that he has learned through the years. But then also thought years ago, because he was a kid just as I was. And we thought, nah, we don't care about that stuff. We change as we, as we grow. That's one thing my father taught me a long time ago was that your mind is going to change every 10 years. And I believe that now, now that I'm older because there's things that I thought then that I don't think now, or my mind changed.

52:51 So again, just some random thoughts there for you, but Oh, you got a lot from this. Again, it doesn't have to be a big change in your life or your diet. It's just usually those small little things that make a big, big difference. So anyway, check out, Abel James gone over to his podcast, check out his, uh, his content over there. It's just a great all around guy and he's amazing. Two guy can played. Guy can sing, check out his music. All right, guys. So that's it. That's going to wrap up this episode as always remember, I'm here for you. I believe in you and I am rooting for you, but you have, you have to come say it with me. Say loud, say it. Proud. Take action. Have an awesome, amazing day. And I'll see you right back here on the next episode. Now let's rock your brand.

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